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Okay, this is how I saw it and wearing everything.

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I was driving on the US Highway 650 across Utah.

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And it was between Eureka and Delta Utah.

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Okay.

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Okay, and it was approximately 1.35 or 1.40 in the morning according to the clock in my car.

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And I was going down the highway, I was speeding, I was doing 70 miles an hour.

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And I thought it was a police car.

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So I slowed down because it had red and blue lights on it.

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Okay, now where was this located in relation to you?

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I would say it was about a mile behind my car.

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Okay.

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So I slowed down to 30 miles an hour, 30 or 35, around there, 4 to catch up.

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And it never got any closer, but it never got any farther back.

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And the lights were still there.

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So I speeded back up to 55.

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And I checked the mirror again and I never got any closer and I never got any farther back at all.

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The car I have is no flow poke, so I took it up to 120 miles an hour to see what would happen.

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I never got any closer and I never got any farther back also.

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So I stopped completely.

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And I don't know what it was, it just came over and it was going, I don't do some private flying on my own.

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And I estimated to be at close to 5 or 6,000 miles an hour, it was faster than any jet.

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Not even an SR-71 can do that.

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That's the fastest jet in the world.

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And this thing just went, I mean it was there and it was gone.

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It went directly overhead.

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And it was as much as I saw of it, and as long as I saw it, I had estimated it was 70 to 90 feet above the ground.

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Gee, that's pretty low. Did you hear anything?

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It was just...

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I mean, did it give off any kind of sound?

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Well, that's what I'm trying to describe.

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It's trying to relate it to something.

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You see what it's sound like.

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The closest I can come is, you know a mixer on high speed?

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Oh yes.

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On really, I mean like not...

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Ostride, I mean pulverize.

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Yeah.

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Really like a mixer with nothing in it on high speed.

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And I had my window down, I was looking out and up to see what it was and it just...

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The thing went hellbent for leather over.

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And it went over the horizon and good god it was less than 30 seconds and it was out of sight.

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Okay, well you were westbound at the time.

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Yes, I was heading west towards the next town, it would be Ewing Nevada.

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Okay, now...

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It had no shape?

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As much as I could see from the outline of the lights, it had one blue light directly on the front of it.

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And as much as the outline I could see was it was...

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It had like a half a circle was the front part of it.

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And then the rear end was more or less came out in a triangular thing.

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I see.

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Like half a triangle and half a circle.

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Okay.

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And on the front of the circle I picked out was the blue light, one single blue light.

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And then on the outside like where the circle came into the triangle from what I could see was where the two red lights were.

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And that's what made it me think it was a highway patrolman because they got one blue light on top and then two red ones on either side.

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Right.

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And this did...

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There was nothing like an exhaust or anything, you know, like it didn't leave any fumes or vapors.

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And I didn't notice any phenomena that created in the air like ionization or vaporization of anything.

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But it just...

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It went over.

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Okay. Now how long do you figure it followed you before you finally stopped?

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It followed me.

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I first cited it like I said 135 or 140 and when I finally stopped it was ten minutes after two.

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That was in the morning.

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That was quite a while then.

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Yeah. It didn't get any closer or any farther back.

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I think that's what was making me think that it, you know, it isn't a police car.

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And highway 6 and 50, when you leave, I believe it's...when you leave Eureka, Utah, there is nothing for 61 miles until you hit Delta.

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Absolutely nothing.

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Okay. Was there any other traffic on the highway?

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None at all. This highway is just plain dead and deserted.

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Okay. What's...did any traffic show up after the object had disappeared on the rest of your trip?

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Well, I did see one car when I was about four miles out of Delta but that could have been somebody who lived out in the rural area.

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Uh-huh. Otherwise there was nothing.

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No, there was nothing.

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Okay.

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And this isn't the...this is the second time that I've seen something driving that highway.

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Uh-huh.

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The first time I kind of rode it off as an airplane but not this one.

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Okay. Now when that object came over, did it come directly overhead right down the highway?

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It didn't. It was kind of to the...well, see, facing my direction heading west. It was kind of off to the right of the highway.

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It was like it was traveling this little ridge.

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It was, you know, maybe 50 or 100 yards off to the right of the highway.

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I see.

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And it was, you know, it wasn't that far above the ground.

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Okay. Did you have any problems with your car at any time while this was still going on?

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Yeah. My...my altar, I've got a 69 charger. It's got oil pressure, fuel, uh, temperature,

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and alternator. And I was...after the thing went over and I took off again,

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uh, my alternator just went crazy. I mean, it just went absolutely berserk.

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It was just flashing to full discharge and then full charge, and then it holds steady and then it's full discharge, full charge.

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And my lights kept flashing on and off. And for once there, my lights went off and all my gauges went dead, just like everything was gone.

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Now, was that when the object got nearer or was that when it was tailing you?

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That was...first time that happened was when I, uh, slowed down about 30 miles an hour.

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When I slowed down, my lights went off and I figured that was a short between my brakes and my headlights,

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because I was putting the brakes on. And then the second time it did, it was after the object went completely past me

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and it's gone and I started off again and then everything just went crazy.

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Okay. Now, during, uh, just, uh, prior to, uh, sighting this thing in your mirror,

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did you have any unusual feelings or any physical or mental feelings?

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The back of my neck was tingling like crazy, like, you know, the feeling you get when somebody's got their hand right next to it.

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Right.

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And you don't, you don't actually see them. And, you know, I've been, uh, in the combat area before in the Middle East

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and I've kind of got a sixth sense from that and that's what made me start checking my mirrors and everything.

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That was before you spotted it, though.

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That was before I spotted it.

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Okay. How about, uh, all this was going on after you spotted it?

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Was there anything unusual that you felt?

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Except when it was like directly to the right of me when I was looking out at it up in the sky.

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And it, you know, I was, I wasn't out of the car completely. I was hanging up and out the window.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes.

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I didn't feel I had time to get out of the car and watch it.

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So I just rolled it, cranked the window down and got up and watched it.

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And I got really, uh, kind of a sensation. Is it like, uh, you'd get a cold kill or something?

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Yes.

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That could have been from just hitting the cold air really fast from the warm car, but it was, you know, it was, uh, really racking me good.

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Yeah. Okay. Has anything happened to you since then?

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Uh...

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Anything unusual?

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Well, nothing unusual. I mean, the only physical thing that's happened to me is my, I've got, uh,

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quite a few scars on my body. And they've been hurting really intensely lately, especially on my arm.

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Now, I don't know whether that could be attributed to it or not, but it's been, it's been, uh, it's been hurting quite a bit.

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Okay. Did you have your car radio on at the time?

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Uh, no, I didn't.

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Has everything worked in the car okay since?

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Yeah. Well, the lights go out on bright still.

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Uh-huh.

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If you, you can drive them on dim, all right.

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But when you switch it on bright, the alternator just, uh, sometimes they'll go out and sometimes they'll stay on, but it never did that before I saw that thing.

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Okay.

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That car was in perfect running condition before I saw that thing.

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Now, did that happen this morning?

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What's this?

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Early this morning.

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When I saw it?

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Yeah.

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No, that would be, uh, what is today? Thursday?

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Friday.

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Today's Friday. Wow. This, uh, was, uh, it'd be trying to think of when I got to California.

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It would be Sunday morning, last Sunday morning, real early, because I just found out about you guys today.

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Oh, that would be the first then.

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Uh, yeah.

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Yeah, okay.

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And Sunday morning, real early.

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Okay. Who did you get our number from?

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Uh, Lieutenant Commander here at, uh, Naval Station Treasure Island, California.

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Oh, great.

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And, uh, I've been trying to find a place like this, because I get that, uh, um, subscribed to the magazine, the annual, you know, it keeps updated on the reports.

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And that's why I'm curious as you ask about the car, whether it was, uh, as they call them, the Men in Black.

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Have you, you know anything about them?

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Oh, yeah, we hear a lot about those.

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That's, uh, I don't know, I haven't met them yet. Maybe I will for seeing them.

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Well, I debate as to, you know, some of these stories are really, uh, well, what I was going to ask is,

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if you would fill in one of our questionnaires for...

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Oh, certainly. If you'd like, I can sit down and, as best as I know, draw this thing for you.

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Yes, I would like that very much.

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Okay, and I can, as much as I saw of it, and the moon wasn't out that night, but, uh, as much as I saw of it, I think I can put a fairly good replica on a piece of paper.

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Because, uh, while I'm in, I was a nuclear engineer for the Navy, and, uh, I get a pretty good idea of what it looked like down for you.

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Excellent.

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Now, how high did you figure that thing was approximately off the ground?

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Well, I would say, you know, just from a rough triangulation was between 70 to 90 feet, maybe at the utmost 100, but it wasn't below 50.

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You figure it maintained that altitude all the way?

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It was, it was contour flying.

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Oh, I see.

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It wasn't just straight altitude, it was contour flying.

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Following the contour of that ridge?

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It was the contour of the road. That's why I kept, you know, maybe that's why I, uh, didn't see it until I actually felt that feeling,

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or had a reason to check in my mirror because of the, the hills in that area.

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Right.

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If they hadn't been hills, it was straight and flat, I probably noticed it earlier.

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But it was common, and it was, it was flying to contours.

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It wasn't just taking a straight altitude, or, you know, a straight lateral course or anything.

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Right.

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It was just like you was having fun, you know.

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Well, we sure appreciate your calling, and we'll get that, uh, questionnaire in the mail right away.

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Okay, and, uh, I got your address here on this card, so, uh,

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Fine.

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I'll make that drawing up, and anything else I remember, I'll put in there with it and send it up to you.

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Thank you very much.

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And I'll spread the word about you guys, and if anybody else has seen anything, then I'll have him get ahold of you.

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We would appreciate that very much.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Have you got any, uh, recent literature on, uh, the recent sightings and anything?

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Yes, we do. You want me to send you some?

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Yeah, which please?

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We'll do.

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Because, um, for a while there, I was a skeptic on it, but, uh, after I've had, I've had three or four experiences with them,

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and I never really got around to reporting anybody, and after this last one, uh, I'm a firm believer.

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Yeah, okay.

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And any time you mention our organization, anybody who has seen anything, why, uh, tell them that if they'll call,

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just long enough to leave their name and telephone number and what they saw, then we'll get back to them.

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All right.

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Okay, I'll be sure to do that.

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Thanks very much.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Okay.